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Q&A: Can any data predict the next recession?
The flow of economic data has painted a downbeat picture, but can any of it really be used to predict a 'double dip'?
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He said investors need to consider the profits of all companies rather than just look at profits at listed companies as many of the larger listed UK companies derive their profits and make their investments overseas. Looking only at them would give you a false view of what companies think about the prospects for the British economy.
As well as rising consensus earnings forecasts – which are often drawn up in consultation with the firms themselves - Isherwood thinks the fact that many companies are making admittedly small acquisitions is a sign they are cautiously optimistic.
But surely companies are no better than anyone else at predicting a recession?
Going into recession the degree of mistake is huge.
‘Companies don’t see recessions coming. They hit the brick wall just like the banks and everyone else but in the post recessionary phase they become more right,’ said Isherwood.
Isherwood believes post-recession phases are always W shaped i.e. the rebound is always followed by a second down leg before picking up again.
The current shift from ‘euphoria to doubt’ is perfectly normal, he says, but he thinks at the moment many are being overly pessimistic as the market is pricing in a second recession when none of the indicators point to that.
So where should I put my money?
Isherwood said the corporate sector is giving us a positive message, the bond market is giving us the opposite message and the equity market is arguably caught in the middle.
He believes share prices are already discounting a second downturn. He said the bond equity earnings yield (used to measure whether bonds and shares are equally nervous about future risk) and price earnings ratios are back down at levels last seen at the beginning of last year before the upturn in stock markets.
Some fund managers with a strong track record are increasingly convinced that you can buy some decent assets at good prices already.
If you can weather the storm and have time to wait for a return, you might want to follow their lead and move some of your money out of cash.
But most agree the road ahead will be bumpy and a second downturn cannot be ruled out. That means you should keep a close eye on all the so-called leading indicators and there may be a few more good opportunities to buy in the future.
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4 comments so far. Why not have your say?
Tony Peterson
Sep 08, 2010 at 15:50
Economic data is based on the past. This is no guide whatsoever towards a future that is governed by intrinsically chaotic events. It is of no more use in predicting the future than the so-called biblical Book of Revelations.
report thisWilliam Bishop
Sep 08, 2010 at 15:56
Clearly, when there is talk of a double dip when interest rates remain at rock bottom, plus quantitative easing et al, we would be on an entirely different road map from the whole of the post-war period, with no satisfactory analogy with the past possible. My inclination remains in the direction of a sluggish recovery, but we are all guessing to an even greater extent than usual.
report thisDan Tubb
Sep 08, 2010 at 17:43
Austrian economist (perhaps Peter Schiff is the most well known example) had no problem predicting the last recession, the cause the after effects, and can still predict where we go from here. But Austrian economists are not advocating ever larger government, so nobody wants to listen to them.
report thisJohn Harfitt
Sep 09, 2010 at 08:37
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
The UK has the highest external debt relative to GDP (400%+) of any industrialised country in the World.
The previous decades were built on debt - Government borrowing 1 in every 4 pounds that were spent. Re-mortgaging of overpriced properties to spend on lifestyle products. Credit cards and personal loans maxed out and not repaid.
etc etc.
All of that debt has to be repaid by someone. The solution is NOT to add more debt to the pile.
The UK has got used to buying cheap goods from so called Third World Countries - as a result we don't bother to make much these days. In any case we could not compete.
So - no more easy credit - no jobs for a large proportion of the population.
The Government employing millions and supporting millions more - pensioners expecting to be paid a pension for around 25 years - None of this is sustainable.
The Western Empire led by the US economic model is finished.
We are facing a substantial drop in our standards of living - there is only so much wealth in the World as a whole - if the so called Third World countries are having more then we must have less - it is a nil sum game.
Thank God I am a pensioner - the future is no less than frightening!
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