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Why would India want a ‘special relationship’ with us?
Declining nation with aging population, over-reliance on the financial sector and stagnant economic growth seeks partner with average age of 25 years old, near double digit economic growth and a burgeoning middle class of 143 million.
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Declining nation with aging population, over-reliance on the financial sector and stagnant economic growth seeks partner with (average) age of 25 years old, near double digit economic growth and a burgeoning middle class of 143 million.
So far they’re only describing it as an ‘enhanced partnership’ but when prime minister David Cameron leads one of the largest ever trade and political delegations to woo India into this week he’ll be hoping for nothing less than a ‘special relationship’ the likes of which we could never hope to achieve again with the US.
FTSE 100 chief executives will join the PM, foreign secretary William Hague and business secretary Vince Cable as they seek to lower the barriers to entry for UK companies in India, particularly the red tape and limits on foreign ownership which hinder investment.
Britain wants access for its banks, which currently need multiple individual licenses, for its law firms, which cannot practice in India if they are not domestic firms, and for insurance companies and small manufacturers (you can read more about what we're seeking to achieve in this article or in Bill Emmott's column on page 19 of the Times today).
Cameron recognises that before economic and commercial progress can be made, first he must overcome the damage done by Gordon Brown’s Labour government which was has been described as ‘patronising’.
He has made a wise political move by visiting India – and in such force – so soon into his tenure as PM, coming as it does straight after his trip to the US, with the 90-strong delegation a sign of the UK’s commitment to trade with India.
But Britain is not alone in courting India’s massive money-making potential. The historic links between the two nations mean little when India can forge much more lucrative and politically fruitful relationships with China or the US. While the Labour government was preoccupied with courting the US, Indians were choosing to study stateside, where there are now more than twice as many Indian students as there are in the UK. Trade between India and the US is now three times the level with Britain.
Why pour energy into a nation whose economic growth will be leapfrogged by Mexico and Brazil in just three years?
The Hindu, one of India’s most widely read English language newspapers, is almost comically belittling in its analysis of Britain’s waning influence on the world stage: ‘There is a growing view that Britain must now abandon its search for a post-Raj role and learn to live by the new world order in which those it once governed are the new masters. But, in refusing to read the writing on the wall, old colonial powers can be like ageing ballerinas who are often reluctant to acknowledge that their glory days are over and time has come for them to leave the stage before push comes to shove,’ writes one its columnists.
With little doubt about who stands to gain the most from the talks, the size of the Cameron-led delegation is proof that we are ready to show a little more respect to our economically bigger-hitting partner.
In poor little indebted Britain we must pimp ourselves out to the rest of the world if we are to maintain our place at the top table. These delegations will only get larger and more fawning as time goes on.
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19 comments so far. Why not have your say?
Anonymous 1 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 16:18
If my experience with Indian call centres is anything to go by, oh no!
If my experience of Indian clients is anything to go by, double oh no!
I am in no way a racist and have clients of many nationalities and skin shades. A decent person is a decent person but speaking from experience
those from the sub continent always want 60% of your time and are like 1% of your client base. They are always out to get something for nothing even when you have made clear there is no margin to deal further.They weedle and whine and if they dont come out on top they get very uppity and blame everyone but themselves. Lying is an acceptable part of their culture and you have to be very careful indeed with doing business with them.
Having experienced this a number if time now and fortunately not being in a jurisdiction where political correctness is an issue, I have learned my lesson and just wont do business with them now. Not welcome.
I suppose we our govt is out to curry favour.
Oh dear dear. What to do?
report thisAnonymous 2 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 16:32
Who is looking for special relationship. The U.K or India. Some years ago, U .K had an upper hand, a developed and rich nation but the fortunes have turned and now India may have an upper hand with a stable democratic, growing economy with a well educated workforce, its companies taking over Eurpean, British and American comapnies, like Jaguar, Tetley Tea and scores of other famous compnies.
But Indians are well balanced and rationale people and they would want an equal relatioship. They have a lot to learn from the Britishers. I am sure the Britih P.M. and his team of big businesses leaders will be welcomed with folded hands" Namashte" the traditional greeting and hospitality.
But dont forget Indians are hard bargainers. Good luck David Cameron. Enjoy your trip and some genuine Indian Cuisine.
report thisAnonymous 3 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 16:38
Dear Anonymous 1 - you may not be a racist, but you certainly are a xenophobe.
report thisan elder one
Jul 26, 2010 at 16:44
Another media wind up; for g**'s sake let's forget about special relationships with anybody, its only mutual back scratching if anything at all; the so called one with the US of A, for instance, has yielded little to our advantage in the UK. It is up to us to produce things for trade that other countries need and stuff the patronising. We went to India with Clive in order to make a profit; yes things are changing and we have to adapt; that Indian newspaper can stuff it up their fundament.
The media love this subject to play with, most of us who read the papers (that use up far too much paper by the way - most of mine goes in the bin, unread) are bored stiff by the matter, I suggest.
report thisAnonymous 4 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 16:49
I hope this is a media wind up. However, with the number of inter company transfers happening it looks like a way to get cheap labour in the company. We already have thousands of professional IT people out of work yet many indians taking the jobs. The next step will be people in the professional legal system out of work due to Indians taking their jobs. The wages are just getting pushed down so far at ridiculous rates. Will be interesting if the indian workers pay the correct UK tax also ? Alot of my ex colleague indian workers were also driving uninsured in their cars. The country is getting sold off!
report thisBen Coulthard
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:04
Do a search for most mainstream religions and the news, and you'll find exactly the same mixture of racist remarks from the British as we see here, and also atrocities/crimes committed by those religons. Do a search for Sikhism though and the recent news and the most you'll find is 'Sikh man dies chasing after theif to reclaim stolen handbag'. Interesting. Never taught a Sikh who was rude; never met one who was unemployed; never heard of a crime committed by one. I'm just saying.
report thisBen Coulthard
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:10
Come to think of it, most of the 'A' grades attained at the last school I taught at were Sikh students, making up manfully and womanfully for the white underclass they had to tolerate to be educated.
We should be careful whom we criticise - I in no way wish to reflect the unpleasantness about Indians here or to connect myself with prejudiced views of any other nation, but when I've heard business people being racist the types of remarks we've heard here are much more often levelled at Nigerians and Africans generally. I do wonder whether it's just an insular British thing about foreigners generally.
Lastly, I'm very suprised by 'lying is part of their culture'.... people in glass houses...
report thisrobert southey
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:10
Do we really need them more than they need us? A simple test would be to have equal bilateral levels of "red tape" and anti foreign laws.
So no Indian national may own UK property, no majority owned Indian firms.. the list goes on.
How quickly do you think the Indian government and perhaps more importantly its rich and succesful UK based business men would lobby for a change in the Indian restrictions.
report thisAnonymous 5 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:18
Although it is some years since I last visited India, it was a very poor place then. Bicycles or scooters (if you were very lucky) for the family transport with an early 1950s Morris Oxford for the real "pukka sahibs".
Even the very rich, living inside walled compounds, had to expect to have squatter camps of refugees parked against their outside walls. Double digit growth is great but 10% of s.f.a. is still not very much.
Re. the "authentic" cuisine, I love Indian food (even make my own quite regularly) and some of the worst I have ever tasted was, actually, in India. The restaurant of our 5* hotel in Goa wouldn't have lasted for a week in an average British city.
And as for Indian Call Centres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
report thisPeter Morritt
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:24
Well at least we have indians working on our National Health and Inland Revenue systems. What we will have next is Indian tax inspectors and Indian Lawyers and an Indian call centres. Come to think of it great idea I will go and be one of the lazy brits living off the country.
report thisAnonymous 4 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 17:30
lets learn from the americans then
my job went to india
http://pragprog.com/titles/mjwti/my-job-went-to-india
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780976694014
http://insidetech.monster.com/topics/2837-my-job-of-8years-just-went-to-india/posts
report thisJ Ganatra
Jul 26, 2010 at 18:21
i enjoy english cuisine abroad , but then its not authentic is it
there are very few genuine indian restuarents about - most are pakistani and bangladeshi.......... thats the incredible thing pakistani passing off as indian!!!!!
report thisRaymond Hurley
Jul 26, 2010 at 18:27
I have no great like, or dislike for India.I am more or less indifferent.
Now that India is so successful,perhaps the hundreds of millions of pounds that India receives in aid from the British taxpayer will no longer be needed.
A more successful India might also keep more of it's people within it's own borders and reduce the strain on the infra structure of our already overcrowded country.
I don't particularly want a 'Special Relationship 'with either the USA or India,and I do not want to be wound up by Citywire.
report thisDavid Gunton
Jul 26, 2010 at 20:06
I am with Ben Coulthard. I used to employ Manchester based joiners and carpenters. They continually drove me to near bankruptcy with their poor workmanship, dishonesty, theft and general disregard for their high paying employer. I was then fortunate to be introduced to some Hindu Indian craftsmen. Their workmanship is simply the best. Their honesty is impeccable. Their loyalty is almost embarrassing. These men are mostly Untouchables from Gujurat. They have worked for me for decades. What more needs to be recognised about India if it produces people like this?
report thisan elder one
Jul 26, 2010 at 21:01
Well, well, CityWire aren't we clever clogs then, this topic was a cert to wind up the readers; its something the BNP might be proud to have come up with.
The "Hindu" outburst smacks of a child harbouring a resentment and imagining to get its own back against Mother, on becoming a teenager; reflect, teenage is soon left behind; well for most of us.
However one might define it, there is already a special, or at least a particular, relationship between our two countries; and not only with India, there is still the notion of Commonwealth that won't go away. Britain introduced the system of parliamentary government in India and a language that would serve as a lingua franca to overcome the babel of too many tongues; one could go on.
A special relationship is not a contrivance to be talked to death about, it is a sharing of common interests, warts and all, that just happens to exist; but too much emphasis on the warts can eventually destroy it, which serves no useful purpose to either party in the relationship.
report thisAnonymous 6 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 26, 2010 at 22:22
Take a trip to Chicago airport and look at the queues of Indians flying between the US and India. The US is way ahead of the UK in developing relationships with India: Odd when you think of our historic relationship and the number of families of Indian origin resident for generations in the UK.
report thisnormski
Jul 27, 2010 at 08:54
Lets have equality with India , no more aid because India has more billionaires than EBritain , the same import duty ect.
I have have a feeling that the Indians will wipe the floor with Cameron & co.
Normski
report thisredfish
Jul 27, 2010 at 09:37
Indians fall into two groups those that love the legacy of the Raj - democracy, railways & to an extent education. And those that do not, the communistic socialists particularly.
But we make it difficult to be loved too. For generations the Maharajahs sons went to Eton. Now it's Harvard and Geelong. WHY? Because our higher education institutes have been dumbed down to the extent that a British education is seen as a lesser qualification to the US & Aus.
We are also seen to prefer to import Eastern Europeans for jobs here.
Is not India still in the Commonwealth and the Queen its titular head? What do the Indians get from that? Despite years of Indian's hard work learning to speak and write english better than most Brits those wanting to come here to expand their knowledge find themselves in a queue behind a whole pile of barely educated non english speaking people.
We had a head start and blew it. It will be far more difficult to regain lost ground.
report thisAnonymous 7 needed this 'off the record'
Jul 27, 2010 at 09:58
Curry favour? Best pun I've heard this year. Anon1 may be a xenophobe, but he's a very funny raita.
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