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Tories will not overturn FSA's long-stop stance

by Maryrose Fison on Oct 27, 2009 at 10:56

Tories will not overturn FSA's long-stop stance

The Conservative party has dashed hopes that it will introduce a long-stop if it gains power at the next election, warning that it is a matter for the regulator to handle. 

A spokesperson for the party said the long-stop was an 'important' issue but one for the regulator to deal with primarily.

‘The Financial Services Authority (FSA) recently looked at this as part of the RDR and decided it wasn’t in consumer interests for there to be any change to the current position. Those who want to see a long-stop need to prove their case to the FSA,’ said the spokesman. 

These comments come despite the Tories pledge to scrap the FSA if they reach power - replacing it with a Consumer Protection Agency and passing the regulation of large financial institutions to the Bank of England.

Kent-based financial adviser Phil Castle (pictured) is currently wrangling with the FSA over a request he made to introduce a long-stop to his terms of business. Castle claims the FSA turned down his request but argues it is unfair to expect IFAs to face indefinite liabilities when other professions do not have to. 

Linda Woodall, head of investments at the FSA told Castle: 'While we have no wish to restrict innovation in the marketplace, using a ToB to selectively disapply or amend our Handbook requirements will always be unacceptable and we reserve our right to take action against any firm doing so. Please note: I do not intend to enter into any further correspondence on this issue as I believe that our position is clear and unambiguous.'

Don't count on Europe

Richard Anderson, a barrister specialising in contract law and chartered accountant, said it is unlikely the FSA would change its stance on long-stop and equally unlikely for a Europe-wide decision to overturn the UK regulation. 

‘[IFAs] could apply for judicial review, saying that the absence of a long-stop was unreasonable, but that would be a hard one to plough…It is almost a reverse argument. You are saying I want you to put in a long-stop to protect me, the practitioner, whereas they are more interested in protecting the public,' he said.

‘Europe will only bite if they have a reason for doing so and off the top of my head instinctively I don’t feel that the failure to provide a long-stop is the sort of thing that would provoke Europe into doing much.’ 

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detrimentedadviser

Oct 27, 2009 at 13:32

DO NOT VOTE TORY

SIMPLES

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Man in Black

Oct 27, 2009 at 13:34

"Linda Woodall, head of investments at the FSA told Castle: 'While we have no wish to restrict innovation in the marketplace, using a ToB to selectively disapply or amend our Handbook requirements will always be unacceptable and we reserve our right to take action against any firm doing so."

What?

Has this Guardian Reading Waste of Space ever actually read the FSA Handbook?

I would be grateful if somebody could correct me...But as I read it, there is no rule anywhere in the FSA handbook explicitly stating that firms must be liable in perpetuity.

Indeed DISP 2.8 ordinarily applies the 6-year and 3-year limitation rules to the FOS and only allows them to ignore these "as a result of exceptional circumstances" [DISP 2.8.2 R(3)]. Likewise, firms are ordinarily allowed to reject any complaint without assessing its merits where these time limits are breached. [DISP 1.8.1. R].

Where cases reach the Ombudsman (usually several years after the complaint, once lots of unqualified contract staff supplied by the likes of Momenta or Hazell Carr have lost the paper work 2-3 times), the Ombudsman is, heaven forbid, supposed at least to *take into account* the law [DISP 3.6.4 R (1)(a)]. And the law, as we all know, says the Limitation Act applies to such cases when before the courts: Shore v Sedgwick Financial Services [2007] EWHC 2509; [2008] EWCA Civ 863.

Sorry to run on about this, but...

Parliament delegates the rule-making powers of the FSA to the FSA's Board who must conduct a cost-benefit analysis, consult on proposals and issue a 'rule making' instrument confirming the provisions under which they are exercising their powers etc [s.153, FSMA]...

...It makes me SO angry when junior officials like Ms Woodall believe that they have the right to make it up as they go along. They do not - and we must make this crystal clear to them.

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Paul Barnard

Oct 27, 2009 at 13:42

I recently had correspondence from AVIVA asking if I could recall the details of a sale made in 1996 when I was an AR for CU working for the Norwich and Peterborough. They had had a mortgage endowment complaint sponsored by an "ambulance chaser". I asked for the sales file and checked that all risk warnings required at the time were shown, documented and signed for.

I had merely discussed repayment or endowment, the mortgage product and term being selected by the branch manager, not by me. This particular mortgage went past the customers retirement age, but during the mortgage interview they would have discussed the reasons why. This was at a time well before any warnings were required re going past retirement by CU or the regulator; indeed, as an employee of N&P/CU I had no discretion to add my own.

Every case at the time was checked and signed off by a CU department as compliant to see that I had used the prescribed and required risk warnings.

Now, some bright spark at AVIVA wants to uphold the claim against me as they are applying today's standards and glibly telling me what I should have done 13 years ago, doubtless when they failed their 11 plus, without any regard to the facts surrounding the case/procedures at the time.

Quite how we would be able to defend ourselves in the future when the goalposts are moved is frightening.

M.P.s complain that they are being penalised retrospectively over their expenses in the Legge report - welcome to the club!

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Phil Castle

Oct 27, 2009 at 13:56

I do NOT like being threatened. This is an implied threat from Ms Woodall and bearing in mind she has refused to even read the document before saying it is unacceptable proves to me the FSA is our of control.

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Phil Castle

Oct 27, 2009 at 14:01

Either someone in the Tories has told Chris Cummings something completely different to that which they told Citywire (and Alan Lakey as I read on IFAOnline), or someone is lying. I suspect it is not Chris, nor Alan and it is time for us all to stand by our principles and NOT allow the FSA to use principles to overall our own.

http://www.citywire.co.uk/adviser/-/news/regulation-training-and-competence/content.aspx?ID=364423&ViewFull=True

http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/1559714/tories-bring-stop-aifa

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Man in Black

Oct 27, 2009 at 14:23

I doubt anyone's lying about this. More a mixture of left-hand v right-hand and the usual politician's approach to trying to keep differing groups happy.

As for the Woodall troll threatening you and then not wanting to enter into correspondence, I note from the FSA Organogram that she reports to Leslie Titcombe (who herself looks like she could never get a job in the Private Sector). Perhaps write to Ms Titcombe explaining that Ms Woodall is too busy subverting the rule of law to answer your queries, and make clear some of the points I've been putting here and on blogs elsewhere?

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