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Caz timing guru Griffiths: Market low will come in 2012

by Drazen Jorgic on Mar 30, 2010 at 10:31

Caz timing guru Griffiths: Market low will come in 2012

Robin Griffiths, Cazenove Capital’s technical strategist who predicted the precise date of the last bear market, believes investors have a one-month window to take risk off the table as a double-dip in the US economy is almost inevitable.

Speaking at the Citywire Wealth Management forum, Griffiths said the US market will bottom out by 2012 but before than it will be testing the lows last seen in March 2009. Ominously, he added a double-dip in the US economy was such a certainty it was ‘baked in the pie’.

Griffiths draws on the work on economic cycles pioneered by Joseph Schumpeter, an Austrian economist. The theories suggest that with secular trends investors can expect four and 10-year trends to take place.

The worrying thing for the Western world, Griffiths said, is that we have been in secular downtrend since 2000, meaning both the four and 10-year cycles are negative.

He said: ‘History shows that these cycles are bigger than the politics. Politicians are a part of the cycles and they can bend them out of shape a bit but they can’t override them.

‘History also shows that credit bubbles always end up with a double dip and a depressionary scenario. While the depression won’t be all over America, it will be in locations like Detroit, and places like Detroit are a big enough part of the US to cause a double dip.’

Secular downtrend

Following analysis based on Schumpeter models, Griffiths said the US long-term cycles are in a negative phase and will remain negative until 2012. That means there is one more fall to come before the market becomes cheap again, and with the indices having risen so sharply over the past 12 months, he argues the only way is down.

‘The markets in secular downtrend have also just had a strong rally. It is just over one year old now and is still going strong. History reveals that this rally has been one of the strongest ever of the last 100 years. The typical rise has been between 50% and 70% depending on the market followed. The depressing thing is that after that considerable rise the indices are still down between 25% and 30% on where they were 10 years ago. There is not only a possibility but rather a probability that the low will be at least as low as last March’s low.’

Griffiths said the only technical force that is keeping the markets up at this moment in time is ‘seasonal deviation’.

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2 comments so far. Why not have your say?

James Brooke

Apr 01, 2010 at 10:46

It is generally accepted that market timing is notoriously difficult to get right on a consistent basis, but can add significant value if one can pull it off.

It is interesting to note that what Griffiths is saying here very much echoes the trends predicted by the Monk's Chart, which was produced, as the name implies, by a Monk in the very early 1800s.

The only place I can find it now is on the website of the a natural rubber trading company called Rubbernet! You can find it here:

http://tinyurl.com/ydbumz8

The full url is:

http://www.rubbernet.com.sg/monk's_chart.htm.

It would be interesting to be able to find the tiem to go back and look at the markets for each of the dates shown as a peak or a trough and to see how accurate it actually has been. Certainly some of the more recent dates look pretty much spot on.

James

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Anon

Apr 04, 2010 at 22:06

A new website called 'Total Investor' is carrying an interesting area on market timing signals/tools - the website has only been up and running for a week or two but it's well worth a look (check out the 'investors dashboard' in the tools area) : http://totalinvestor.co.uk

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