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CISI: What the FSA's new TC regime means for discretionaries

by Ruth Martin on Jul 09, 2010 at 12:01

CISI: What the FSA's new TC regime means for discretionaries

A recent Citywire article referred to CP10/12, ‘competence and ethics’ which is about the Training and Competence (TC) Regime and not about the retail distribution review.

Discretionary managers are not covered under the retail distribution review, which was subject to a different consultation paper CP10/14.

Under CP10/12, which tightens the TC regime, discretionary managers will have to become qualified in managing investments if hitherto they have relied upon the grandfathering arrangements that have been in force since FSMA.

This CP proposes withdrawing the grandfathering arrangements and discretionary managers will have 30 months to complete an appropriate examination for managing investments.

This is a particular problem for those existing authorised investment managers currently working to comply with the new examination requirements for RDR who combine within their roles both retail advice, (so come under the RDR), and also discretionary management, now coming within scope of new examination arrangements proposed in the TC consultation paper CP10/12.

For those investment managers who are just discretionary managers with no retail clients, they will also need to take an appropriate examination for managing investments.

It does not apply to advisers who are only retail advisers and who only need to comply with the RDR.

CP10/12 lists the current appropriate examinations but the list is not complete. For example the SII (now CISI) Diploma is permitted under the legacy examination regulations.

Table below gives the CISI qualifications which appear on the legacy list for managing investments.

Exam

Body

Status

Certificate in Investment Management 

The Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment (CISI), formerly the Securities & Investment Institute (SII)

iv 

 

Diploma (must include a pass in Regulation and Compliance paper)  

The CISI, formerly the SII

ii 

 

Securities Institute Level 3 Certificate in Investments (Investment Management) 

The CISI, formerly the SII

ii 

 

Separately the RDR consultation paper 10/14 lists those qualifications approved to comply with the RDR, including the CISI (formerly SII) Diploma and also the CISI Masters in Wealth Management (Diploma in Wealth management). 

Investment managers who hold the SII Diploma (Regulation and Compliance paper and any two other papers) are therefore covered both for the retail distribution review and for managing investments. So are those who have completed the CISI Masters in Wealth management (listed in the regulations as Diploma in Wealth management).

Those existing authorised advisers who do not possess either the SII (CISI) Diploma, or its Wealth Management Masters but who combine in their job roles both retail advice and discretionary management, may have to do an additional examination following CP10/12.

The Certificate in Private Client Investment Advice And Management (PCIAM) continues to be approved for the RDR and covers securities advice and advising on packaged products. It does not currently cover managing investments which is not part of RDR.

The CISI will be discussing with the FSA how managing investments might best be linked in for those individuals combining both activities in their role. This may not be resolved until October when the FSA plans to update its lists of appropriate qualifications.

4 comments so far. Why not have your say?

David Cowell

Jul 09, 2010 at 16:36

THis is as clear as some particularly gloop mud. does anyone wish to have another go?

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Man in Black

Jul 10, 2010 at 19:21

Interesting that G70 isn't on the legacy list. Is this omission accidental or deliberate?

That said, some of these guys are managing squillions of pounds. All that is being asked is that they obtain a multi-choice exam if they've previously been grandfathered. It's really not that taxing compared with imposing level 4 exams (effectively multiple papers) on IFAs regardless of which market they're really in...

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Anonymous 1 needed this 'off the record'

Jul 12, 2010 at 08:25

As one of the 'older generation' of investment managers (previously known as stockbrokers) I have had to sit the PCIAM paper from the CISI Diploma. It is 30 years since I was at University so found it extremely tough. And now I may not be able to manage my Discretionary accounts?

I wish someone would get a grip and decide exactly what is required. Stop moving the blasted goalposts.......

It's actually okay for the IFAs (who were the ones targeted in RDR - or so I thought) who only have a multiple choice/online paper to sit. Try studying constantly for 3 months - putting your life on hold and ending up physically, mentally and emotionally exhausted!

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Charles Mackinnon

Jul 13, 2010 at 22:11

To me this whole thing has the sound of barn doors being loudly slammed shut to the distant sound of horses bolting. The FSA, (soon to be gone but not lamented) had ( I understand but have not checked) 70 people covering retail products for every two covering investment banks, and guess where the problems were? This myriad of confusing, jargon laden regulation merely makes the poor client ever less unsure as to if the individual he is talking to is competent, as opposed to merely qualified, and completely misses the point.

As with many others of your correspondents I have slogged through the PCIAMA, mainly to ensure that I am not exposing my firm ( or myself ) to any possibility of embarassment should someone read something I have written, or hear me on a podium, and say "Oi, You, you arn't even qualified...shurrup!"

For the moment, I am not going to pay any attention that anyone says untill this all becomes law. I am confident that there will be several further iterations, and I have no interest in slogging through exams only to be told that they were "not relevant" under some newly devised subsection.

We shall attempt to serve our clients well, and to give them honest advice and to manage their portfolios in line with their mandates using the discretion they have freely given us. If the regulators chose to question our ability to do so, I shall question their ability to regulate.

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